What Will JW's Do If They Find Themselves Still Conscious after Death?

by Sea Breeze in

we all know that despite many scriptures to the contrary, jw's believe that when they die, their consciousness will cease.

my question is this: what will be the likely reaction of jw's if they find themselves conscious after death?.

Sea Breeze

DJW,

All this has been covered before. Ecclesiastes is a book that is part of the "WISOM LITERATURE" in the OT. It is written from a carnal point of view, same as an atheist.

From this carnal, purely physical point of view, life is all ultimately meaningless. It is a worldview that the writer ultimately rejects after considering all things. This is why scriptures like Eccl. 10: 19 which reads, "money is the answer for everything", are not projected into a Christian worldview. There is no Christian doctrine that teaches money is the answer for everything even though this is stated clearly in Eccl. 10: 19 .

"Therefore I hated life; because the work that is wrought under the sun is grievous unto me: for all is vanity and vexation of spirit." But, Jesus said we can have meaning in our life and peace. Again, different points of view.

The Bible tells us in 1 Thessalonians 5:23 that we were all created with three parts—a spirit, a soul, and a body: Only one exists "under the sun".... the body. When the body becomes separated from the soul, a death occurs. Biblically, "death" MEANS SEPARATION, not annihilation or extinction of the soul/spirit. (Gen. 35:18)

Taking a rejected (carnal or purely physical) worldview and making a Christian doctrine out of it requires not only rejecting the book's own stated framework in which the book is to be understood ("under the sun"), it also requires ignoring or waving off dozens of other scriptures that show people as fully conscious after their consciousness (soul) separates from their body.

I posted a number of these scriptures earlier in this thread.

As far as the resurrection goes, most scholars (skeptic, Jewish, Christian etc.) who publish in this area agree on these minimum facts that are well attested to in history.

Many people find these facts impossible to explain away from a purely natural point of view. So, they end up believing that Jesus was raised from the dead. If a person believes that, then it provides a formidable basis to believe the other things that Jesus said.

First century religious leaders didn't know what to do with this man. So, they had him executed, but he apparently didn't stay dead. People today still wonder what to do with him. Wise men still seek him. Christians simply believe him and take him at his word.

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What Will JW's Do If They Find Themselves Still Conscious after Death?

by Sea Breeze in

we all know that despite many scriptures to the contrary, jw's believe that when they die, their consciousness will cease.

my question is this: what will be the likely reaction of jw's if they find themselves conscious after death?.

Sea Breeze

@carla,

That's probably the most detailed NDE that I've ever read.

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What Percentage of active JW's are on Anti-Depressants?

by Sea Breeze in

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friends

i came across an xjw post on redditt from a rn.

she states that nearly every jw she ever treated was on anti-depressants or anti-psychotic drugs:.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/f35vaa/just_about_every_jw_i_come_across_is_on/ i once read somewhere that 1 in 5 jw's were on anti-depressants, but i couldn't find any documentation.

Sea Breeze

I knew an elders' wife whose head bobled when she walked down the isle. Not sure if she was crazy, but she sure looked it.

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Is Wokeness a Religion

by JeffT in

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friends

this is long so i'll just post a link, i think many here will agree with a lot of what the author has to say.

it certainly resonated with my thinking of the last few years.

https://instapundit.substack.com/p/it-should-be-safe-to-be-unpopular?sd=pf.

Sea Breeze

In the wake of rejecting Judeo-Christian values and morality, Wokeness has filled the void and is now the new standard in determinnig what is moral and what is not moral. If you don't go along with it, you are simply cancelled (disfellowshipped).

Population reduction comes a little later.

Newsweek Article: America Is Fast Becoming a Woke Theocracy

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What Percentage of active JW's are on Anti-Depressants?

by Sea Breeze in

jw
friends

i came across an xjw post on redditt from a rn.

she states that nearly every jw she ever treated was on anti-depressants or anti-psychotic drugs:.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/f35vaa/just_about_every_jw_i_come_across_is_on/ i once read somewhere that 1 in 5 jw's were on anti-depressants, but i couldn't find any documentation.

Sea Breeze

I came across an xjw post on redditt from a RN. She states that nearly every JW she ever treated was on anti-depressants or anti-psychotic drugs:

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/f35vaa/just_about_every_jw_i_come_across_is_on/

I once read somewhere that 1 in 5 JW's were on anti-depressants, but I couldn't find any documentation. Any researchers out there have any documentation on this?

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What Will JW's Do If They Find Themselves Still Conscious after Death?

by Sea Breeze in

we all know that despite many scriptures to the contrary, jw's believe that when they die, their consciousness will cease.

my question is this: what will be the likely reaction of jw's if they find themselves conscious after death?.

Sea Breeze

The average human lifespan is approx. 840 months

But that's not the point is it? How long does the average human consciousness last? For an eternity.

when I hear professed Christians say that their righteous God is going punish/torture sinners for all eternity,

I agree that people's word isn't worth much..... but a man who walked out of a tomb as he claimed he would - that is a genuine basis to believe what he has to say.

Nah! That ain't justice!

Maybe, maybe not. But it does honor people's free-will wishes to be conscious apart from God. What degree of depravity does it take for a person to choose hell over life with Jesus? That is a better question to ask.

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Wise counsel for JW's in latest WT

by BoogerMan in

june 2023 study watchtower p. 13, par 15 - “we will not be fooled if we “make sure of or, “test” all things.”...we need to test what we hear or what we read to determine whether it is genuine.....instead of naively accepting what others the org say, we use our thinking ability to compare what we read or what we hear with what the bible and jehovah’s organization say.”.

Sea Breeze

we use our thinking ability to compare what we read or what we hear with what the Bible and Jehovah’s organization say.”

Kinda like getting a letter from your Dad and asking someone to interpret it for you even though you could read it yourself.

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What Will JW's Do If They Find Themselves Still Conscious after Death?

by Sea Breeze in

we all know that despite many scriptures to the contrary, jw's believe that when they die, their consciousness will cease.

my question is this: what will be the likely reaction of jw's if they find themselves conscious after death?.

Sea Breeze

@Boogerman

Here's a few that come to mind:

Matthew 25:46

And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Luke 12:5

But I will warn you whom to fear: fear him who, after he has killed, has authority to cast into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him!

Mark 9:43

And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire.

Revelation 20:12

And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done.

Luke 16:23

And in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side.

Revelation 21:8

But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

Jude 1:7

Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

Proverbs 15:24

The path of life leads upward for the prudent, that he may turn away from Sheol beneath.

Mark 9:47

And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell,

1 Samuel 28: 15

15 Now Samuel said to Saul, “Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?”

And Saul answered, “I am deeply distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God has departed from me and does not answer me anymore, neither by prophets nor by dreams. Therefore I have called you, that you may reveal to me what I should do.”

16 Then Samuel said: “So why do you ask me, seeing the Lord has departed from you and has become your enemy? 17And the Lord has done for Himself as He spoke by me. For the Lord has torn the kingdom out of your hand and given it to your neighbor, David.

2 Cor. 5: 8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.

[Edited to add] Acts 2

Acts 2 also comes to mind:

"Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses."

It was necessary for God to abandon Jesus for a time when "he became sin for us"; for God has no fellowship with sin.

Yet, the Father did not leave his soul in hell, but rejoined it with his body one very famous Sunday morning.

And the world has never been the same since.

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Mass Shooting at Kingdom Hall in Hamburg, Germany

by EdenOne in

mass shooting at a kingdom hall in hamburg, germany this evening.

at least 6 or 7 killed, dozens injured.

single shooter on the run, police doesn't rule out more shooters.

Sea Breeze

So to worship the God of the Bible you must be willing to kill people.

Shouldn't evil be confronted? Fathers protecting their families, soldiers, police kill evil people all the time. Nothing new here.

Any judicial system that claims to bring peace by punishing the guilty is __________.

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What Will JW's Do If They Find Themselves Still Conscious after Death?

by Sea Breeze in

we all know that despite many scriptures to the contrary, jw's believe that when they die, their consciousness will cease.

my question is this: what will be the likely reaction of jw's if they find themselves conscious after death?.

Sea Breeze

We all know that despite many scriptures to the contrary, JW's believe that when they die, their consciousness will cease. My question is this: What will be the likely reaction of JW's if they find themselves conscious after death?

Sea Breeze

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